FILE 260 / 27 January 2022 / 166 MIN / full

A Grossly Insane Tale Of Death

Marion, IndianaListen

The town

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We're going to Marion, Indiana... east central Indiana... this is in Grant County. about 0:06:19

History, in brief

Town note

Marion was named after Revolutionary War General Francis Marion.

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1812

The Battle of Mississinewa, part of the War of 1812, was fought north of Marion in December 1812.

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Town note

The town became an agricultural trading centre and had a forest industry until the 1880s, when a large supply of natural gas was found in the county and set off a gas boom.

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1900

From 1900 to 1901 the town had its own baseball team, called the Glass Blowers.

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All 8 history facts

Town note

Marion was named after Revolutionary War General Francis Marion.

about 0:07:05

1812

The Battle of Mississinewa, part of the War of 1812, was fought north of Marion in December 1812.

about 0:08:19

Town note

The town became an agricultural trading centre and had a forest industry until the 1880s, when a large supply of natural gas was found in the county and set off a gas boom.

about 0:08:32

1900

From 1900 to 1901 the town had its own baseball team, called the Glass Blowers.

about 0:08:49

Town note

Jim Davis, the creator of Garfield, is from Marion.

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1993

Marion was the location of Julia Roberts's 1993 wedding to Lyle Lovett.

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Town note

Town mottoes include City of Champions and Christmas City USA.

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The figures, as told

Religious

about 40%

Biggest faith: Other Christian share, 19.7%

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Who lives here

White 74% · Black 15% · Asian 1.4% · Hispanic 5.7%

Ethnicity can overlap race.

Crime / national average

Property crime
▲ close to double

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Violent crime
▼ just under

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Money

Median home value$85,100
Two-bedroom rentabout $684
Median household incomejust under $33,000
Cost of living67

For sale

$24,900

Three-bedroom, one-bath house, 300 square feet

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For sale

$77,000

Three-bedroom, one-bath house, 1,232 square feet

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For sale

$525,000

Five-bedroom, five-bath house, 4,506 square feet

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All figures and comparisons, as told in 2022

Property crime

"close to double"

Direction: above.

As told in 2022 about 0:23:15

Violent crime

"just under"

Comparison: "national average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:23:28

Population

"27,674"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:15:48

Female share

"55%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:07

Median age

"37"

Comparison: "the normal age of the rest of the country". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:09

White share

"74%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:38

Black share

"15%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:38

Asian share

"1.4%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:38

Hispanic share

"5.7%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:38

Religious share

"about 40%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:56

Other Christian share

"19.7%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:08

Jewish share

"0.1%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:15

Democrat vote in the county

"29%"

Comparison: "last election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:22

Republican vote in the county

"68%"

Comparison: "last election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:22

Independent vote in the county

"2.5%"

Comparison: "last election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:22

Median household income

"just under $33,000"

Comparison: "$57,500 in the rest of the country". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:30

Households making under $30,000 a year

"46%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:45

Cost of living index

"67"

Comparison: "100 is the regular average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:54

Median home cost

"$85,100"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:58

Average two-bedroom rent

"about $684"

Comparison: "almost $1,300 in the rest of the country". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:18:24

Three-bedroom, one-bath house, 300 square feet

"$24,900"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:19:03

Three-bedroom, one-bath house, 1,232 square feet

"$77,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:19:18

Five-bedroom, five-bath house, 4,506 square feet

"$525,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:19:48

The reviews

3.0 / 5 · average of 6

5 stars

“A lifelong resident says Marion provides almost all of the needs one can think of and recommends it 100 percent.”
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5 stars

“Police patrol the neighbourhood every night, which makes the reviewer feel safe; the officers are nice and helped when a key was locked in a car.”
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3 stars

“A special place with loving, caring people, but it has become dangerous with drugs and crime and needs cleaning up.”
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2 stars

“It once had factory jobs; now small businesses struggle, there is little entertainment apart from walking around Walmart, and the opioid crisis is severe; Indiana Wesleyan University's campus and a park garden are the good things.”
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2 stars

“The road is almost never ploughed in winter and is full of potholes.”
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1 star

“Shootings, stabbings, robberies and overdoses every day; the town is as bad as downtown Chicago; the reviewer does not trust anyone and wants the drugs gone.”
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The story

She had grown up at Gum Spring Mountain, just outside Sparta, Tennessee, and had left at seventeen to marry Lonnie Goodwin and move north to Marion, Indiana. They had two children, Nancy, eight in 1966, and Jimmy, six. Lonnie deserted the family in the early 1960s and the marriage ended in divorce. They married in Portland, Indiana, and by 1965 had been married about three years. In mid-1965 he took a job at the General Tire and Rubber Company and the family moved to Marion.

While she was there he looked after the children. He was a big, jovial man. She cut off her hair and began wearing a wig, and the affair became common knowledge. The affair resumed.

She refused. He told her that if she would not leave he would kill Larry. She thought he was bluffing. He said they would need them to dismember Larry after the killing. The following evening, Saturday, May 7, Larry went to work at four o'clock for the second shift. At 11.55 that night Larry came home, hungry and looking for something to eat. Larry staggered into the bathroom area and collapsed. Larry bled to death on the floor.

The children were asleep and saw nothing. The next day was Mother's Day. On Monday, May 9, the family had disappeared. Larry's parents, Mr and Mrs John R. Schmidt, went to the house about a week later. They found the doors and windows unlocked, looked over the main floor, locked up and left without going into the basement. Larry's employer said he had not been at work and was not the sort of man to walk out.

She was barefoot and covered in bites. She telephoned the White County sheriff, Joe Cummings, and said she had a complaint to make about a kidnapping and murder in Marion. Cummings interviewed her at the roadside and then took a recorded statement at his office.

The Marion police went to the house and found Larry's body in the basement. The Grant County coroner, Dr Russell Lavengood, said the cause of death was a single stab wound through the heart, but the body had been dismembered into five pieces and three parcels. The arms had been severed between the elbow and shoulder and the legs at the hips; the arms were wrapped in a rag and the legs tossed aside. Larry was wearing only a pair of shorts. A neighbour, Charles Brown, a newspaper photographer, was brought in to take pictures of the scene.

A manhunt began, with county and state officers, the FBI and bloodhounds from the Arkansas State Penitentiary. He was said to be armed with a scoped rifle, a hunting knife and a .45 pistol, and he was seen three times on the first day but got away. On May 20, 1966, at 6.09 in the evening, a ranch foreman saw him in a pasture two miles west of Curtis and called the police. The officers found him and called out that they did not want to hurt him. He had broken toes, infected insect bites, bronchitis and a bandaged hand, and had gone from 235 pounds to 185. He said he had been living on cans of pork and beans. He denied killing or cutting up anyone and denied kidnapping a woman, but admitted being in the house when Larry died. Pearl hired a lawyer, Travis Mathis, for his son.

The interrogation was recorded, and over four tapes she told four different stories.

He was found grossly insane in 1968 and committed to Baity Memorial Hospital in Westville, Indiana.

She disappeared from public view. He went home to Arkadelphia, remarried and died there in 2015 at the age of seventy-nine. Nobody served long for Larry Schmidt's death.

The case

Murder of Larry Lee Schmidt

Victims

Larry Lee Schmidt. second husband, a factory worker at General Tire and Rubber Company; about 200 pounds

Accused and outcomes

As told in the episode, on 27 January 2022.

Accused

Accused

Outcome

Other people

Nancy Goodwin. daughter, eight years old in 1966
Jimmy Goodwin. son, six years old in 1966
Lonnie Goodwin. first husband, who deserted the family and later took the children
Kenneth Randoff. brother, who visited the house on Mother's Day
Thurman Condley. stepfather
Dr. Russell Lavengood. Grant County coroner
Charles Brown. neighbour and newspaper photographer brought in to photograph the body
Sheriff Joe Cummings. White County, Tennessee sheriff who took complaint
Sheriff R. W. Richardson. Clark County, Arkansas sheriff
Travis Mathis. lawyer from Arkadelphia
Patrick N. Ryan. court-appointed lawyer
Joyce Plummer. manager of the Spiegel catalog shopping centre in Marion

The timeline

  1. October 24, 1935 is born in Clark County, Arkansas.about 2:26:10
  2. About 1940 is born around Sparta, Tennessee, at Gum Spring Mountain. (Gum Spring Mountain home)about 0:24:51
  3. 1957 leaves Gum Spring Mountain at seventeen, marries Lonnie Goodwin and moves to Marion, Indiana.about 0:25:23
  4. 1958 Daughter Nancy is born. (Marion, Indiana)about 0:26:09
  5. 1960 Son Jimmy is born. (Marion, Indiana)about 0:26:09
  6. Early 1960s Lonnie Goodwin deserts the family; the couple divorce. (Marion, Indiana)about 0:26:44
  7. About 1962 meets Larry Lee Schmidt at the Red Key bakery and marries him in Portland, Indiana. (Portland, Indiana)about 0:27:48
  8. Mid-1965 Larry takes a job at the General Tire and Rubber Company and the family moves to Marion. (General Tire and Rubber Company)about 0:31:02
  9. 1965 After a miscarriage and a nervous breakdown, is committed by Larry to a state hospital in Richmond, Indiana. (Richmond State Hospital)about 0:36:47
  10. 1965 meets in their apartment building and the affair begins. (Schmidt apartment)about 0:39:21
  11. 1965 cuts off her hair and starts wearing a wig.about 0:39:32
  12. 1965 Larry moves the family from the apartment complex to a house on East Grant Street; spends another twenty days in an institution. (Schmidt house)about 0:40:55
  13. May 4, 1966 A Spiegel catalog order signed by for clothing, household equipment and fishing equipment is received by the store. (Spiegel catalog shopping centre)about 2:04:53
  14. May 6, 1966 asks to leave with him; she refuses; he threatens to kill Larry, and they buy a hatchet and hacksaw at a shopping centre. (Shopping centre)about 0:43:00
  15. May 7, 1966, 4 p.m. Larry goes to work for the second shift at General Tire. (General Tire and Rubber Company)about 0:47:03
  16. May 7, 1966, 7.30 p.m. arrives at the Schmidt house with the hatchet and hacksaw, stays a few minutes, leaves and returns. (Schmidt house)about 0:47:12
  17. May 7, 1966, 11.55 p.m. Larry comes home, an argument begins and stabs him once through the heart. (Schmidt house)about 0:48:01
  18. May 8, 1966 Larry bleeds to death; and clean the blood and move the body into the dirt-floor basement. (Schmidt house)about 0:50:17

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Places in the story

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Fisher Body Division, General Motors Corporation

business

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