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Indigenous people lived in the area for thousands of years before Europeans arrived; the Ottawa and Winnebago tribes were there.
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FILE 170 / 7 May 2020 / 159 MIN / full
This week, we're going to Minnesota ... St. Cloud, Minnesota. It's in central Minnesota ... this town is in three different counties. about 0:04:33
Indigenous people lived in the area for thousands of years before Europeans arrived; the Ottawa and Winnebago tribes were there.
about 0:06:00Minnesota was organised as a territory in 1849, and the St. Cloud area was opened up in 1851 after treaty negotiations with the Winnebago.
about 0:06:43John Wilson, a Maine native, named the town after St. Cloud, the Paris suburb where Napoleon had his favourite palace.
about 0:07:05For a long time it was a way station where train cars came through with ox carts.
about 0:07:22Indigenous people lived in the area for thousands of years before Europeans arrived; the Ottawa and Winnebago tribes were there.
about 0:06:00Minnesota was organised as a territory in 1849, and the St. Cloud area was opened up in 1851 after treaty negotiations with the Winnebago.
about 0:06:43John Wilson, a Maine native, named the town after St. Cloud, the Paris suburb where Napoleon had his favourite palace.
about 0:07:05For a long time it was a way station where train cars came through with ox carts.
about 0:07:22It was incorporated about 1856 as three distinct settlements: Uppertown, Middletown and Lowertown.
about 0:07:31Middletown was mainly Catholic German immigrants and people from the East Coast.
about 0:07:47Uppertown was plotted by Lowry, a slaveholder and trader from Kentucky, who brought slaves with him even though Minnesota was a free territory.
about 0:07:54Lowry was on the Territorial Council and was elected St. Cloud's first mayor in 1856.
about 0:08:40A woman who came from Pittsburgh ran an abolitionist newspaper that attacked Lowry; he organised a committee of vigilance that broke into the office and threw her printing press into the Mississippi River.
about 0:09:04The Supreme Court's 1857 Dred Scott decision declared the Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, making the territory's prohibition on slavery unenforceable.
about 0:10:01Most of the Southern people in St. Cloud left when the Civil War broke out and took their slaves with them; Lowry died in 1865 after his side lost.
about 0:10:29Granite quarries opened in the area in the 1880s, which is why it is called the Granite City.
about 0:11:03In 1917 Samuel Pandolfo started the Pan Motor Company in St. Cloud and claimed Pan cars would make it the new Detroit.
about 0:11:10Pandolfo was investigated after a complaint from the Associated Advertising Clubs of Minneapolis, indicted for using the mails to further a scheme to defraud, acquitted a couple of times and later convicted and imprisoned for defrauding investors.
about 0:11:58about 51%
Biggest faith: Jewish residents, 0.0%
about 0:19:34White 79% · Black 12% · Asian 3.2% · Hispanic about 3%
Ethnicity can overlap race.Property crime
▲ almost double
Violent crime
exactly average
Three-bedroom, two-bath house, 1,440 square feet
about 0:22:04Five-bedroom, three-bath house, 2,137 square feet
about 0:22:24Six-bedroom, four-bath house, 4,052 square feet
about 0:22:50"about 67,000"
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"about 45,000"
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"about 29 and a half"
Comparison: "low". Direction: below.
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"16,000"
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"79%"
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"12%"
Comparison: "just about average in the country". Direction: about the same.
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"3.2%"
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"about 3%"
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"about 51%"
Comparison: "higher than the average". Direction: above.
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"0.0%"
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"0.0%"
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"$46,601"
Comparison: "about $57,500 normally". No direction stated.
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"$151,800"
Comparison: "normally $237,000 in the rest of the country". No direction stated.
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"43% of the population"
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"about $1,200"
Comparison: "about the national average". Direction: about the same.
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"$79,900"
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"$179,900"
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"$360,000"
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"almost double"
Direction: above.
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"exactly average"
Comparison: "national average". Direction: about the same.
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2.0 / 5 · average of 1
“No stars, titled 'not so great': lived there 15 years, little to do for teenagers or children, moving to California because the weather has become terrible, the racism is insane and it is not a good place to raise a child.”about 0:12:45
“Lots of crime, a stabbing at a local mall, would not recommend the school district and mentions bullying in the schools.”about 0:13:53
“No stars, 'culturally devoid, racially intolerant': population has more than doubled in 20 years, only American, Italian, Chinese and Mexican food, the best restaurants are Olive Garden or Red Lobster, and openly racist and homophobic talk is commonplace.”about 0:14:46
In March 1988 St. Cloud, Minnesota, was a city of about 45,000 people in the middle of the state, known as the Granite City for the quarries that had opened in the 1880s. Neighbours and a repairman described the place as a flop house for adults and runaway juveniles, with people coming and going at all hours. Police had been called there 22 times in less than a year and a half.
The brothers had grown up in a violent home. All four children left home early. He drank and took drugs, and in December 1987 he was taken to St. Cloud Hospital unconscious with acute alcohol intoxication.
After watching Conan the Barbarian and the Highlander, Tim began carrying a sword and telling anyone who would listen that he was immortal and that his wounds healed faster than other people's. His sister had been asking the family for months to have him committed. In the middle of March 1988 he saw The Lost Boys, and on about 15 March he sat the boys at the house down and announced that they were going to form a vampire cult.
That night the group decided to go camping at Riverside Park, just south of St. Cloud on the Mississippi River, even though it was freezing. Gall arrived at about 11.30 p.m. sloppy drunk and joined in. After midnight Bill Benedict decided not to go. At about one o'clock in the morning six of them set off with a case of beer, marijuana, ephedrine and hot dogs. At about 4.30 a.m. the unidentified 15-year-old left because he was cold and tired, and Gall lay down by the fire.
Tim's first plan was for the others to wake Gall and for him to stab him. Gall woke as they approached and asked what was going on; they told him they were only messing with the fire and he went back to sleep. The group retreated to the woods and revised the plan. Tim would hit Gall with a log, the others would kick him, and Tim would stab him and they would drink his blood.
Tim clubbed Gall with the log. Gall jumped up, scrambled onto a strip of ice on the river and was cut off. The boys kicked him in the head and jumped on his neck. The beating lasted about 90 minutes. Tim licked the blood from his hands and made the other two do the same, saying they were vampires now. They took Gall's leather jacket, watch and wallet, which held $5, burned his identification and pushed the body into the open water. Afterwards they burned the log on the campfire, took a different route home and stopped at a convenience store to buy cigarettes with the $5.
Back at the house Tim bragged to the two teenage girls, saying he had beaten Gall with a log, stabbed him and thrown him in the river, and showed them the blood-soaked jacket. At 4 a.m. on 24 March, Bill walked into the St. Cloud Law Enforcement Center and reported the murder. Police searched the river near Riverside Park and found Gall's body a short distance away, still caught in the ice. The autopsy found 12 stab wounds to his face, deep slashes to his neck and left wrist, and skull fractures too numerous to count; the top of his skull came apart in four pieces. He told the police that a lawyer would not help him.
A doctor said he had consumed a great deal of beer, ephedrine and marijuana and had a high tolerance, but two witnesses, including his brother, said he was not especially drunk. The prosecution pointed to the two separate plans, the huddle in the woods, the throat cutting, the blood drinking, the clean-up, the burned identification, the stolen property and the different route home. In the sanity phase his lawyers blamed mental illness, his viewing of Conan, the Highlander and The Lost Boys, and 51 doses of amphetamine. His mother described the beatings, though she admitted her husband had stopped drinking in 1973.
Nobody really mourned Donald Gall; as the hosts put it, he had a shit life and a bad end.
March 1988 / Riverside Park on the Mississippi River, just south of St. Cloud
As told in the episode, on 7 May 2020.
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