FILE 483 / 11 April 2024 / 168 MIN / full

The Serial Killer Tapes

Phillips, WisconsinListen

The town

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We're going way up north Wisconsin here into the North Woods this week ... Phillips, Wisconsin, the heart of Price County's North Woods. about 0:04:44

History, in brief

Town note

Named after Elijah B. Phillips, general manager of the Wisconsin Central Railway.

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1894

In 1894 a dry summer and continued drought left the area tinder-dry, with thousands of cords of hemlock bark piled in the woods waiting to be hauled to the tannery.

about 0:06:46

Town note

A fire started in piles of hemlock bark ten miles west of town and ate its way in, igniting the cedar-shingled roofs.

about 0:07:41

Town note

The fire destroyed the town and it had to be rebuilt.

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All 5 history facts

Town note

Named after Elijah B. Phillips, general manager of the Wisconsin Central Railway.

about 0:06:27

1894

In 1894 a dry summer and continued drought left the area tinder-dry, with thousands of cords of hemlock bark piled in the woods waiting to be hauled to the tannery.

about 0:06:46

Town note

A fire started in piles of hemlock bark ten miles west of town and ate its way in, igniting the cedar-shingled roofs.

about 0:07:41

Town note

The fire destroyed the town and it had to be rebuilt.

about 0:08:23

1885

The Price County Fair has provided entertainment to area residents since 1885.

about 0:14:28

The figures, as told

Religious

56%

Biggest faith: Catholic, 31% of them

about 0:11:03

Who lives here

White 93.4% · Black 2% · Asian 1.6% · Hispanic 0.9%

Ethnicity can overlap race.

Crime / national average

Property crime
▲ slightly above average

about 0:19:53

Violent crime
▼ slightly below average

about 0:20:34

Money

Median home value$162,000
Two-bedroom rent$840 a month
Median household income$40,982

For sale

$249,900

Four-bedroom, five-bath house of 3,870 square feet built in 1898

about 0:13:42

For sale

$1,520,000

Three-bedroom, four-bath lakefront house of 4,000 square feet on 31 acres

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All figures and comparisons, as told in 2024

Population

"1,569"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:09:53

Gender split

"more females than males"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:10:15

Median age

"about 40"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:10:17

Native American

"1.3%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:10:22

Religious

"56%"

Comparison: "above the normal". Direction: above.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:03

Catholic

"31% of them"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:03

Unemployment rate

"a little above"

Comparison: "national average". Direction: above.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:19

Median household income

"$40,982"

Comparison: "$69,000 in the rest of the country". No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:19

Median home cost

"$162,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:32

Average two-bedroom rent

"$840 a month"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:11:55

One-bedroom hunting shack, 240 square feet on 5.31 acres

"$140,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:12:59

Four-bedroom, five-bath house of 3,870 square feet built in 1898

"$249,900"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:13:42

Three-bedroom, four-bath lakefront house of 4,000 square feet on 31 acres

"$1,520,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2024 about 0:14:10

Property crime

"slightly above average"

Direction: above.

As told in 2024 about 0:19:53

Violent crime

"slightly below average"

Direction: below.

As told in 2024 about 0:20:34

The reviews

1.0 / 5 · average of 1

1 star

“Titled 'Worst City Ever': after three years there the writer is sorry she ever moved, calls the police force undesirable, the government corrupt and without integrity, and says the city has the compassion of a wet newspaper; the worst place she has lived in her fifty-one years, and visitors should stay away.”
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The story

Phillips, Wisconsin, sits in the North Woods of Price County, about three hours from Green Bay and three hours and twenty minutes from Minneapolis. It is a small town of roughly 1,570 people, named after Elijah B. Phillips, the general manager of the Wisconsin Central Railway, and in 1894 it burned to the ground after a fire started in piles of hemlock bark ten miles west and was driven into town through a dry summer.

The family was well known locally: they owned an 80-acre lot about ten miles north of town and had run Weber's Grocery, the only food market in Phillips. He wet the bed into adolescence, set his first fire at about four, and stole money from his parents' store. In 1976, when he was thirteen, Kathy found a stack of bondage magazines while cleaning his room. He was writing out elaborate torture fantasies in spiral notebooks, had an imaginary friend he called Frank, and Kathy heard him holding arguments with himself in two distinct voices, one of which called itself Natas, Satan spelled backwards. Twice he put a .22 rifle to her head and threatened to pull the trigger; on another night he hit her over the head with a beer bottle after loading the family Ford Bronco with clothes line, chains, tape, scissors, a shovel, an axe and the rifle. He was treated again in the summer before his senior year, spent five weeks in inpatient care and was moved to a group home in La Crosse, where he finished high school and graduated in 1981.

He enlisted in the US Army that year, served three years as a helicopter mechanic at Fort Carson in Colorado and then in Germany, and returned to Phillips in 1984. He moved back into his parents' house at South Avon Avenue and took a job at the Kayoga Reeve wreath factory in Fifield, where he worked alongside Caroline Lenz and her son Jean. Through them he met Jean's twin sister Emily, eighteen, blond and outgoing. They married on 6 August 1986. Emily's younger sister Carla, then seventeen, was a bridesmaid.

Weber had already attracted attention. Two days after the sale Kenny was found dead on the railway tracks, having apparently lain down in front of a freight train; he was drunk and the death was ruled an accident. Weber told Emily that Kenny got what he deserved. The marriage lasted two months before Emily moved back to her parents. Weber began drinking heavily, could not perform sexually with his wife, and went to Carla for advice.

On 12 November 1986, at about eleven at night, Carla was at home babysitting her nine-year-old brother while her mother and brother worked the night shift at Phillips Plastic Corporation and her father, a long-haul trucker, was away. The telephone rang, she put on her jacket and told her brother she would be back in a few minutes. She never returned. The next morning her mother raised the alarm; she had left her clothes, her money and her driving licence behind. Weber helped hand out fliers and suggested other men to investigate. A couple of weeks later he told the family there was no sense worrying: she was probably dead.

Exactly one year later, on 12 November 1987, another young woman vanished. Shelly Hansen, twenty-three and pregnant, worked at the IGA store and at Markwip. She had been excited about the baby, showed the sonogram at work, and had refused to name the father, who had promised support if she kept him out of it. Her car was found with no blood and no sign of a struggle, and a $10,000 reward produced nothing. Two days after her brother Ron collected her belongings from her apartment, his house burned down with all of them inside.

In September 1988 they were talking about building a house on his parents' land. On Saturday 3 September he telephoned, said he had a surprise, and picked her up in a yellow 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass. He stopped at a store for a spiral notebook and drove her out to the property off Rock Creek Road. He made her copy two letters, one to her parents apologising for leaving and one to him accepting blame for the marriage, sign birthday cards and a blank cheque for $250, then told her he had killed Carla and would get rid of her the same way. He forced her to strip, she ran and he caught her, taped her eyes, mouth and wrists, cut off her underwear, slashed her under the breasts and across her body with the knife, pushed a safety pin through her breast, sexually assaulted her with a wheelbarrow handle, kicked her with steel-toed boots and hit her over the head with a shovel at least twenty times. She passed out and came round with his jacket over her while he argued with a second, lower voice that kept saying, don't let her live. At dawn he drove her home, bathed her, put her to bed and coached her story: she had been kidnapped by two men while walking past the Normal Building.

On 4 September he telephoned the police and came to the station that evening. Chief Moore did not believe him. Emily was in intensive care at a hospital thirty miles away with her eyes swollen shut, broken ribs and internal injuries; she first repeated the abduction story, then, after the chief prayed with her for the strength to tell the truth, she told him everything over three hours. A search of his parents' property found fresh tyre tracks, a shovel beside a freshly dug hole 28 inches deep, a partly used roll of silver duct tape, Salem Light cigarette ends, a hacksaw and a bloodstained wheelbarrow handle. In the Cutlass they found a hunting knife, duct tape, Emily's sliced clothing, the clipboard with the original letters and a 50-minute tape on which Weber described, in detail, how he had abducted, tortured, killed and dismembered Carla. He described cutting off her breast, injecting lighter fluid into her nipple, cutting flesh from her leg and eating it, and keeping her body in the boot of the Sunbird for days while search parties combed the area. He drew a map to the grave, a hundred yards from Rock Creek Road near the barn; her remains were found under about eighteen inches of soil with part of her left leg missing.

Emily divorced him. He passed through the Dodge Reception Center and Columbia Correctional Institution, where Jeffrey Dahmer later joined him, and in 2001 was transferred to Green Bay Correctional Facility, where he remains.

The case

Murder of Carla Lenz

Victims

Carla Lenz (17). Emily's younger sister, a high-school student who wanted to become a counsellor

Accused and outcomes

As told in the episode, on 11 April 2024.

Accused

Outcome

Other people

Emily Weber. Carla's older sister and Weber's wife
Caroline Lenz. Carla's mother, who worked nights at Phillips Plastic Corporation
Jean Lenz Sr. Carla's father, a long-haul trucker
Jean Lenz Jr. Carla's twin brother
Kathy Weber. Weber's older sister, whom he terrorised as a teenager
Lawrence Weber. Weber's father

The timeline

  1. November 4th, 1963 is born, the youngest of two children.about 0:22:23
  2. 1976 At thirteen Weber's sister Kathy finds a stack of bondage magazines in his room and throws them away. (Weber parents' house)about 0:35:55
  3. 1981 He graduates from high school while living at a group home in La Crosse. (La Crosse group home)about 0:46:27
  4. 1981 He enlists in the US Army for three years and is trained as a helicopter mechanic, serving at Fort Carson in Colorado and then in Germany. (Fort Carson)about 0:47:42
  5. 1984 He returns to Phillips and moves back into his parents' house at South Avon Avenue. (Weber parents' house)about 0:49:19
  6. 1984 He takes a job at the Kayoga Reeve wreath factory in Fifield, where he meets Caroline Lenz and her son Jean. (Kayoga Reeve factory)about 0:49:56
  7. August 6th, 1986 Weber marries Emily Lenz.about 0:51:21
  8. 1986 Two days after Weber buys Kenny Jr's 1977 Pontiac Sunbird, Kenny is killed by a freight train; the death is ruled an accident.about 0:53:08
  9. October 1986 Two months into the marriage Emily moves back in with her parents. (Lenz family home)about 0:59:21
  10. November 12th, 1986 At about eleven at night Weber telephones Carla Lenz, who leaves the house on foot to meet him for a ride. (Lenz family home)about 1:00:29
  11. November 12th, 1986 Weber drives Carla to his parents' property off State Road 13 and attacks her in the car. (Weber family property)about 1:50:30
  12. November 12th, 1986 He tortures her, cuts off her right breast and steps on her throat until she dies. (Weber family property)about 1:56:57
  13. November 13th, 1986 Carla's mother and brother come home from the night shift, find her gone and call the sheriff's department. (Lenz family home)about 1:01:04
  14. November 13th, 1986 Weber puts Carla's body in the boot of the Sunbird and drives around with it during the search. (Weber family property)about 1:57:43

Kidnapping and torture of Emily Weber

Victims

Emily Weber. Weber's wife; survived the attack, spent sixteen days in intensive care and testified against him

Accused and outcomes

As told in the episode, on 11 April 2024.

Accused

Outcome

Other people

Dr. William J. Crowley. psychiatrist who evaluated Weber and had also examined Ed Gein

The timeline

  1. September 2nd, 1988 Emily refuses sex and promises the next night; Weber is angry and drinks. ( and Emily's house)about 1:24:03
  2. September 3rd, 1988 Weber calls Emily from his parents' land and says he has a surprise about the house they plan to build.about 1:24:31
  3. September 3rd, 1988 He picks her up in a yellow 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass and stops at a store to buy a spiral notebook.about 1:25:32
  4. September 3rd, 1988 They drive to the Weber property, turn off Rock Creek Road onto a dirt driveway and go into the woods. (Weber family property)about 1:26:02
  5. September 3rd, 1988 He holds a hunting knife to her throat, accuses her of cheating and says he brought her out to watch him blow his head off. (Weber family property)about 1:27:48
  6. September 3rd, 1988 He makes her copy letters to her parents and to him, sign birthday cards and a blank cheque for $250. (Weber family property)about 1:28:56
  7. September 3rd, 1988 He tells her he killed Carla and will get rid of her the same way. (Weber family property)about 1:30:40
  8. September 3rd, 1988 She runs; he catches her, tapes her eyes, mouth and wrists, slashes her with a knife, assaults her with a wheelbarrow handle and beats her with a shovel. (Weber family property)about 1:32:39
  9. September 3rd to 4th, 1988 She passes out and wakes with his jacket over her while he argues with a second, lower voice telling him not to let her live. (Weber family property)about 1:36:00
  10. September 4th, 1988 At dawn he drives her home, bathes and bandages her, puts her to bed and coaches her story. ( and Emily's house)about 1:37:38
  11. September 4th, 1988 He telephones the police to report that she was kidnapped and beaten near the Normal Building. (Phillips police station)about 1:11:55
  12. September 4th, 1988 Her mother drives her to hospital, where she is admitted in critical condition. (Park Falls hospital)about 1:12:41
  13. September 4th, 1988 Weber comes to the station at nine thirty at night and repeats the abduction story. (Phillips police station)about 1:14:45
  14. September 4th, 1988 A Park Falls officer interviews and photographs Emily in hospital; she repeats the false story. (Park Falls hospital)about 1:21:33
  15. September 5th, 1988 Chief Moore prays with her for the strength to tell the truth and she tells him what really happened over three hours. (Park Falls hospital)about 1:23:30
  16. September 1988 Emily spends sixteen days in intensive care. (Park Falls hospital)about 2:12:30
  17. September 1988 The Cutlass is impounded from the hospital car park and taken apart; a hunting knife, duct tape and Emily's sliced clothing are found. (Park Falls hospital)about 1:42:41
  18. After the conviction Emily divorces him.about 2:36:22

Disappearance of Shelly Hansen

Victims

Shelly Hansen (23). Pregnant and excited about the baby; worked at the IGA store and at Markwip

Accused and outcomes

As told in the episode, on 11 April 2024.

Accused

Outcome

Other people

Ron Hansen. Shelly's brother, whose house burned down two days after he took her belongings

The timeline

  1. November 12th, 1987 Shelly Hansen, twenty-three and pregnant, disappears.about 1:03:45

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