FILE 312 / 25 August 2022 / 161 MIN / full

Drowning In Stupidity & Evidence

Fort Smith, MontanaListen

The town

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This is Fort Smith, Montana, in southern Montana, in Big Horn County. about 0:05:03

History, in brief

1866

Fort Smith was established in 1866, because the Bozeman Trail ran through the area.

about 0:06:21

Town note

The fort was built about 400 yards from the Bozeman Trail, so travellers did not have to leave the trail.

about 0:06:51

Town note

The Devil's Canyon overlook has cliffs a thousand feet above the lake.

about 0:07:20

Town note

Hardin, next door, has the largest wheat farm in the area, on 95,000 acres.

about 0:08:20
All 8 history facts

1866

Fort Smith was established in 1866, because the Bozeman Trail ran through the area.

about 0:06:21

Town note

The fort was built about 400 yards from the Bozeman Trail, so travellers did not have to leave the trail.

about 0:06:51

Town note

The Devil's Canyon overlook has cliffs a thousand feet above the lake.

about 0:07:20

Town note

Hardin, next door, has the largest wheat farm in the area, on 95,000 acres.

about 0:08:20

1937

The Holly Sugar Company established a sugar beet processing plant in 1937.

about 0:08:30

1876

Little Big Horn Days is a four-day festival with an 1876 Grand Ball, lessons the night before, and quilting displays at the local library.

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Town note

The Battle of the Little Big Horn reenactment is held on the banks of the Little Big Horn River where Sitting Bull's camp was, between Crow Agency and Garryowen, hosted by the Real Bird family.

about 0:22:31

2023

The reenactment was in its thirty-first year, and 2023 is the 147th anniversary of Custer's Last Stand.

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The figures, as told

Religious

66%

Biggest faith: Catholic, 40.3%

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Who lives here

White 87%

Ethnicity can overlap race.

Crime / national average

Property crime
▼ about a third

about 0:23:43

Violent crime
▼ about a quarter

about 0:23:46

Money

Median home value$94,200
Two-bedroom rentabout $667
Median household income$15,536
Cost of living72

For sale

$70,000

Two-bedroom, one-bath, 672 square foot trailer listing

about 0:19:30

For sale

$179,000

Five-bedroom, four-bath, 1,312 square foot house listing

about 0:20:15

For sale

$550,000

Four-bedroom, four-bath, 2,000 square foot house listing

about 0:20:58
All figures and comparisons, as told in 2022

Property crime

"about a third"

Comparison: "national average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:23:43

Violent crime

"about a quarter"

Comparison: "national average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:23:46

Aged 60 to 64

"27%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:14:55

Aged 75 to 84

"23.5%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:14:56

Aged 18 to 24

"zero"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:15:05

Single with children

"100%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:15:45

Native American

"13%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:02

Voted Democratic

"52%"

Comparison: "Big Horn County, last presidential election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:48

Voted Republican

"46%"

Comparison: "Big Horn County, last presidential election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:48

Voted independent

"1.9%"

Comparison: "Big Horn County, last presidential election". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:16:48

Unemployment rate

"9%"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:21

Median household income

"$15,536"

Comparison: "as low as we've seen". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:29

Median household income

"$54,000"

Comparison: "rest of the country". No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:44

Cost of living index

"72"

Comparison: "100 being average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:50

Median home cost

"$94,200"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:17:50

Average two-bedroom rent

"about $667"

Comparison: "about half the national average". Direction: below.

As told in 2022 about 0:18:35

Two-bedroom, one-bath, 672 square foot trailer listing

"$70,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:19:30

Five-bedroom, four-bath, 1,312 square foot house listing

"$179,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:20:15

Four-bedroom, four-bath, 2,000 square foot house listing

"$550,000"

No direction stated.

As told in 2022 about 0:20:58

The reviews

3.3 / 5 · average of 3

5 stars

“I live and work here and absolutely love the town and how small it is; Hardin isn't overpacked with traffic.”
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3 stars

“The store is easy to find with good parking, but for the past year the automatic doors did not close, making the store cold and shopping uncomfortable; the aisles are a mess and the writer suggests a larger store.”
about 0:09:49

2 stars

“There are several sheriffs and BIA officers around but a lot of drug activity, and despite reservations trying curfews the perpetrators are back on the streets quickly; many violent crimes occur and you learn who looks safe and who to avoid.”
about 0:13:00

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The story

Catherine Daniel Little was born on 27 October 1970 and grew up in Arlington, Texas, the daughter of Dr Thomas Daniel and Mary Lou Daniel. She had a brother, Thomas, and a sister, Sherry. A strong swimmer, she went on to Southern Methodist University, where she took a BA in psychology and sociology, captained the polo team and rowed on the crew team.

They moved to Colorado, then to Montana, where Laird passed the bar and opened a small practice in Billings. They married in February 1999, and in July 1999 they moved into the Fort Smith Trailer Park near the After Bay of the Yellow Tail Dam. Laird guided fishermen on the river and kept his Billings practice part-time; Catherine made breakfast at the Quill Gordon Fly Fisher shop and cooked and shuttled guests at the Big Horn River Country Lodge.

The marriage was in difficulty within months. In mid-July Catherine told a co-worker, June Rose, that it was not going well, that she wanted to end it and that she needed to go to Billings to sort out the legal side. She also visited the clerk of court's office at the Yellowstone County Courthouse asking for separation paperwork, and was told she would need a lawyer because the office only handled divorces.

Another neighbour, Nick Forrester, saw the same thing. Catherine went to work at the lodge at about 7.30 that evening; Laird turned up at about 8.30 and argued with her until the owner, Rob Warren, told him to take it home. He calmed down and left. Catherine finished at about 11 p.m. and went home.

The couple in the Dutchman RV on the lot across the alley, Eric and Kathleen Anderson, had heard the Lairds arguing most weekends that summer. Shortly before midnight, while Kathleen was in the shower, they heard through the shower vent a male voice repeating "you fucking bitch" and a female voice crying "no, no, no", with the couple's small dog Ralphie barking. The shouting stopped after a few minutes. About ten minutes later the Andersons saw a white or cream Toyota 4Runner driven slowly out of the trailer park and turn onto B Street; they took the driver to be a man. About three quarters of an hour after that their daughter's dog, tethered outside, began barking towards the open ground by the walking path down to the After Bay.

Laird's account was different. He said he had driven his green 4Runner to the After Bay parking lot to sleep rather than argue; that Catherine came down and knocked on the window wanting a fight; that she drove off at speed and he went back to the trailer; that she came in about twenty minutes later, slamming drawers and turning photographs face down, and left at about 1.30 a.m. in the white 4Runner after saying "take care of Ralphie". Later he added that she had also said she was going to kill herself and had taken thirty dollars from the counter.

On the morning of 31 July 1999 the phone woke him. Greg Heidrich, who managed the fly fishing shop, asked whether something was wrong with Catherine; Laird said she was at work, and Heidrich said she was not. Heidrich then collected his girlfriend to help serve breakfast and, at about 6.40 a.m., saw Laird driving away from the After Bay towards his trailer. At 7.50 a.m. Laird walked into Tanya Warren's kitchen and told her he had found Catherine's car at the After Bay, unlocked, with the keys and her purse in plain sight and a bottle of tequila on the passenger floorboard; he wondered whether she had gone for a walk and hurt herself. Tanya found him later sitting in a rocking chair on his porch, and the two of them drove out to search. He shuffled about, called her name quietly and made little effort; asked whether they should lock the car, he said no, because she would not be able to get back in, and he took his fishing rods but left her purse and keys. Only at Tanya's insistence did he call 911.

Tanya Warren then drove to the far end of the overflow parking lot. From a bridge she saw what looked like a bubble on the water; from the lot she saw Catherine's body floating face down. She called 911 from a friend's house, then went back to the trailer with the news. Laird jumped into his SUV and drove off alone. When the deputy and Tanya arrived at the overflow lot he was in the water pulling the body out, wailing. Officers had to pull him off her. Catherine was wearing grey sweatpants, a bra and a button-up shirt with one or two buttons fastened, earrings, a ring and a wristwatch, but no shoes, socks, glasses or contact lenses.

Dr Mueller performed the autopsy at the mortuary, with an FBI agent present. He found bruising on her hands, right thigh, arms and the tops of her feet, and fresh bruising of the sternocleidomastoid muscles on both sides of the neck, with focal haemorrhage in the subcutaneous fat, which he called troubling, repeatedly. A second forensic pathologist who reviewed the tissue agreed the neck bruising was real and pre-mortem. Nobody at either of her jobs that day had seen any bruises on her. Toxicology found therapeutic levels of an antidepressant and a blood alcohol level of 0.000; there was no alcohol in her system at all. The death certificate gave asphyxia by drowning as the cause and could not determine the manner of death.

Laird left Montana within a week. On 6 August a ranger named Ryan sent FBI agent Randy Jackson a note saying that Josh Anderson, who worked at the marina, reported that his parents Eric and Kathleen Anderson had heard an argument at trailer number nine on the night of 30 July. Jackson put the note in an envelope, filed it, and never spoke to the Andersons; apart from Ranger Ryan's conversation with them they were not interviewed again until 2012. In April 2002 Laird applied to practise law in Missouri and was questioned under oath by the Board of Law Examiners. He said Catherine was argumentative during her premenstrual time, that there had never been any physical confrontation, and that he had refused to argue because it was late and he had to be in Billings. Asked about the bruising round her neck, he said the coroner had told him it was consistent with falling while drunk; asked about the sleeping pills, he said he took the same medication and would have been stumbling if he had drunk alcohol as well, and was told there was no alcohol in her blood.

Jackson was promoted and transferred to FBI headquarters in 2004 and the case was effectively closed. The case was reopened when FBI agent John Teeling began reviewing the file; an assistant told him the belief was that Laird, an attorney, had murdered his wife by putting a knee or a foot on her back and holding her under water. Teeling spent about a thousand hours on it, re-interviewed the family and in September 2012 finally interviewed the Andersons. He also engaged Mark Majeris, an agronomist and grass expert, who examined Catherine's sweatpants. Majeris found cheat grass seeds fixed to the inside of the cloth high on the left thigh with their awns broken off, and glumes forced through the outside at the back of the left leg, evidence, he said, of the wearer being dragged through grass. He compared the grasses at the two parking areas and found the clothing matched the overflow lot where the body was found rather than the After Bay lot where the car was left.

The motion failed. The state put it to him that Montana had stopped contracting him for autopsies in 2015 and that he had resigned as Iowa's medical examiner in 1997 after a missed diagnosis.

His lawyer called it a circumstantial case and asked for forty years. The judge gave him one hundred years.

The state said it would retry him, and he remained in custody after his bail was revoked. On 22 August 2022 Catherine's family posted that the retrial was set for 26 September 2022. Catherine's mother said she was elated that Catherine could rest in peace; Sherry said she had never given up hope and that it was worth it to know he would not be free; Thomas said he carried guilt for not doing more, and had seen bruises on her arms and face over the years.

The case

Murder of Catherine Little Laird

Victims

Catherine Daniel Little Laird (28). born in Arlington, Texas; worked breakfasts at the Quill Gordon Fly Fisher shop and evenings at the Big Horn River Country Lodge

Accused and outcomes

As told in the episode, on 25 August 2022.

Accused

Outcome

Other people

Mary Lou Daniel. Catherine's mother, who fought his attempt to cremate the body
Thomas Little. Catherine's brother, told her marriage was failing days before her death
Sherry Harbour. Catherine's sister, who pressed law enforcement for years
Tanya Warren. owner of the Big Horn River Country Lodge and Catherine's employer, who found the body
Rob Warren. her husband and co-owner of the lodge
Eric Anderson. neighbour who heard the argument and saw a vehicle leave
Kathleen Anderson. his wife, who heard the argument through the shower vent
Josh Anderson. their son, who worked at the marina and reported what they heard
Don Lyman. neighbour who saw chasing Catherine with the bag of cookies
Nick Forrester. former fishing guide who saw the same attack
June Rose. co-worker at the Quill Gordon Fly Fisher shop
Greg Heidrich. manager of the Quill Gordon Fly Fisher shop
Trish. friend who saw shove Catherine
Constance Schuman. worked at the Yellowstone County courthouse, spoke to Catherine about separation paperwork
Dr Bennett. forensic pathologist who first said she was strangled, then changed his opinion
Randy Jackson. FBI agent who led the original investigation
Ranger Ryan. ranger who sent the note about the Andersons
Mark Majeris. agronomist and grass expert who examined the sweatpants
Ralphie. the Lairds' 13-year-old dog

The timeline

  1. October 27th, 1970 Catherine Daniel is born in Arlington, Texas, to Dr Thomas and Mary Lou Danielabout 0:24:20
  2. Catherine takes a BA in psychology and sociology at SMU, captaining the polo team and rowing on the crew team (Southern Methodist University)about 0:28:34
  3. Catherine meets , who has a law degree from Lewis and Clark University, while an undergraduate at SMU (Southern Methodist University)about 0:29:25
  4. They move to Montana; passes the bar and opens a small practice in Billings (Laird law practice)about 0:32:03
  5. February 1999 Catherine and marryabout 0:32:21
  6. July 1999 They move into the Fort Smith Trailer Park near the After Bay (Fort Smith Trailer Park)about 0:32:30
  7. mid July 1999 Catherine tells June Rose her marriage is not going well, that she wants to end it and that she needs to go to Billings to sort out the legal side (Quill Gordon Fly Fisher)about 0:37:25
  8. July 15th, 1999 writes Catherine a note apologising for their fighting and thanking her for her work (Laird trailer)about 2:12:41
  9. July 28th, 1999 Catherine telephones her mother and says she thinks she is going to leave about 0:35:37
  10. July 28th, 1999 Catherine calls her brother Thomas in tears, saying they fight every day and she is going to leaveabout 0:35:51
  11. late July 1999 Catherine asks the clerk of court at the Yellowstone County courthouse for separation paperwork and is told to see an attorney (Yellowstone County Courthouse)about 0:40:30
  12. July 30th, 1999, 5 to 10 a.m. Catherine works the breakfast shift and tells Greg Heidrich she is going to Billings to see a lawyer about a separation (Quill Gordon Fly Fisher)about 0:41:26
  13. July 30th, 1999, between 3 and 4 p.m. chases Catherine around the yard and a vehicle, hitting her on the head with a bag of cookies and shouting that she burnt his cookies (Fort Smith Trailer Park)about 0:42:33
  14. July 30th, 1999, about 7.30 p.m. Catherine starts her evening shift at the lodge (Big Horn River Country Lodge)about 0:50:56
  15. July 30th, 1999, about 8.30 p.m. arrives at the lodge and argues with Catherine until Rob Warren tells him to take it home (Big Horn River Country Lodge)about 0:51:31
  16. July 30th, 1999, close to midnight The Andersons hear yelling 'you fucking bitch' and Catherine crying 'no, no, no' through the shower vent (Anderson RV lot)about 0:55:32
  17. about ten minutes after the yelling stopped The Andersons see a white or cream Toyota 4Runner drive slowly out of the trailer park and turn onto B Street (B Street)about 1:00:34
  18. about 1.30 a.m., July 31st, 1999 On account, Catherine leaves in the white 4Runner after saying 'take care of Ralphie' (Laird trailer)about 1:12:56
  19. July 31st, 1999, morning Greg Heidrich calls about Catherine's absence; says she is at work and is told she is not (Laird trailer)about 1:13:33
  20. about 6.40 a.m., July 31st, 1999 Heidrich sees Laird driving away from the After Bay towards his trailer (After Bay)about 1:14:23
  21. 7.50 a.m., July 31st, 1999 tells Tanya Warren he found Catherine's car unlocked at the After Bay with her keys, purse and a bottle of tequila insideabout 1:14:49
  22. July 31st, 1999, late morning Tanya Warren sees Catherine's body floating face down in the overflow parking lot and calls 911 (Overflow parking lot)about 1:24:06

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